Comments on: Options For Avenging a Cheapshot Are Pretty Limited http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/ This Just in... Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:42:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: hockeygirl http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4802 hockeygirl Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:22:24 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4802 Off topic for just a second, but Justin, did you see the nice words that Doyle Woody wrote about your awesome blog on adn? Very cool! :o) Off topic for just a second, but Justin, did you see the nice words that Doyle Woody wrote about your awesome blog on adn?

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]]> By: Matt Cooke gets away with one | Hockey Phanatic Blog http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4745 Matt Cooke gets away with one | Hockey Phanatic Blog Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:43:57 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4745 [...] Options For Avenging a Cheapshot Are Pretty Limited | Bourne's Blog [...] [...] Options For Avenging a Cheapshot Are Pretty Limited | Bourne's Blog [...]

]]> By: minnesotagirl71 http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4692 minnesotagirl71 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:59:37 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4692 Thanks for the explanation, JB! I knew there was a valid reason and now that you explain it that way I realize that I see that panic in the opposing team when Clutterbuck is on the ice. It's like guys have their head on a swivel trying to see if Clutterbuck is coming for them. I know other teams and their fans hate him, but he hits clean and brings so much energy to the game. The league must "un-fuck" itself on this issue. There is too much talent hanging out in the press box due to concussions! Pierre Marc Bouchard has missed the entire season and isn't even skating yet. Brent Burns missed the end of last season and was out from mid-November to right before the Olympic break this season. Burns was at the Team Canada camp last summer - may have missed his Olympic opportunity because of post concussion symptoms. BTW - @fish - I wasn't trying to make a point. I was seriously just asking the question. Thanks for the explanation, JB! I knew there was a valid reason and now that you explain it that way I realize that I see that panic in the opposing team when Clutterbuck is on the ice. It’s like guys have their head on a swivel trying to see if Clutterbuck is coming for them. I know other teams and their fans hate him, but he hits clean and brings so much energy to the game.

The league must “un-fuck” itself on this issue. There is too much talent hanging out in the press box due to concussions! Pierre Marc Bouchard has missed the entire season and isn’t even skating yet. Brent Burns missed the end of last season and was out from mid-November to right before the Olympic break this season. Burns was at the Team Canada camp last summer – may have missed his Olympic opportunity because of post concussion symptoms.

BTW – @fish – I wasn’t trying to make a point. I was seriously just asking the question.

]]> By: jtbourne http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4691 jtbourne Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:53:15 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4691 Reasonably late hits serve a purpose (working on the yellow light right light idea) - the point is that playing teams that finish all their checks sucks. Guys start to think about it and get rid of the puck quicker so they can brace themselves, they panic with the puck, they "hear footsteps" and make bad decisions. If you finish all your checks (yes, even after a guy gets rid of the puck), there's a marked difference in the way your opponent plays/carries themselves in the third period when it matters. Reasonably late hits serve a purpose (working on the yellow light right light idea) – the point is that playing teams that finish all their checks sucks. Guys start to think about it and get rid of the puck quicker so they can brace themselves, they panic with the puck, they “hear footsteps” and make bad decisions. If you finish all your checks (yes, even after a guy gets rid of the puck), there’s a marked difference in the way your opponent plays/carries themselves in the third period when it matters.

]]> By: fish http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4690 fish Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:46:34 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4690 As far as I can see, it's not an elbow to the head. Cooke's upper left arm is tucked in against his body and hits Savard's head directly. I think minnesotagirl71 makes an excellent point. Every NHL game I've been blessed to see this season has had at least a couple "late" hits. Hitting a player when he no longer has the puck is a late hit to me. In this case Savard was lining up the shot, got the puck, Cooke turned towards him. Savard shot the puck, Cooke was coming over to Savard. Puck was gone Cooke was still gliding, puck hit the boards, Cooke's arm hit Savard's head. Isn't there a penalty for hitting players that don't have the puck? Maybe the "finnish your check" mantra has to be amenden into "finnish your check on time, when the target still has the puck" As far as I can see, it’s not an elbow to the head. Cooke’s upper left arm is tucked in against his body and hits Savard’s head directly.

I think minnesotagirl71 makes an excellent point. Every NHL game I’ve been blessed to see this season has had at least a couple “late” hits. Hitting a player when he no longer has the puck is a late hit to me. In this case Savard was lining up the shot, got the puck, Cooke turned towards him. Savard shot the puck, Cooke was coming over to Savard. Puck was gone Cooke was still gliding, puck hit the boards, Cooke’s arm hit Savard’s head. Isn’t there a penalty for hitting players that don’t have the puck?

Maybe the “finnish your check” mantra has to be amenden into “finnish your check on time, when the target still has the puck”

]]> By: Char http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4685 Char Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:55:33 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4685 JDP, it used to be that way about Savard, but he's changed -- grown and matured -- since joining the Bruins, and the attitude of his peers has changed along with it. It's difficult to imagine him wearing the "A" a few years back, but he regularly takes a turn with it now (the Bruins alternate the "A" amongst a few select veterans). JDP, it used to be that way about Savard, but he’s changed — grown and matured — since joining the Bruins, and the attitude of his peers has changed along with it. It’s difficult to imagine him wearing the “A” a few years back, but he regularly takes a turn with it now (the Bruins alternate the “A” amongst a few select veterans).

]]> By: Travelchic59 http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4684 Travelchic59 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:26:10 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4684 The NHL is wating for someone to die on the ice.Once that happens (and it will eventually) they will get off their collective asses and make some sort of head shot ruling. But not before then. The people running the league are reactionaries and not smart enough to be pro-active. The NHL is wating for someone to die on the ice.Once that happens (and it will eventually) they will get off their collective asses and make some sort of head shot ruling. But not before then. The people running the league are reactionaries and not smart enough to be pro-active.

]]> By: Neil http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4683 Neil Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:00:53 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4683 Ya yer right Beckmann, I'm watching this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1vJrIAg-0&feature=player_embedded#) and his numbers seem to hit Savard in the head at around 1:38 That's a tough one. If I stop it at 1:39, it looks like Savard's head is snapping back but Cooke's elbow seems about neck height, same with at 1:41, my feeling is that if that was elbow contact, the elbow would have hit him in the neck but Savard clearly gets hit right in the head. His numbers hit him but those numbers seem just below his shoulder on the jersey, not overtop of his elbow, the Pens jerseys have that little stripe of yellow on the elbow, above the white strip I dunno, I'm still not sure either way but that's a close one (I can't find the clips on tsn.ca?). On a sidenote, it seems kinda crazy that the difference between a dirty, suspendable hit and a clean hit could be a matter of inches on which part of your arm you crack the guy's head with... :( Ya yer right Beckmann, I’m watching this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1vJrIAg-0&feature=player_embedded#) and his numbers seem to hit Savard in the head at around 1:38 That’s a tough one. If I stop it at 1:39, it looks like Savard’s head is snapping back but Cooke’s elbow seems about neck height, same with at 1:41, my feeling is that if that was elbow contact, the elbow would have hit him in the neck but Savard clearly gets hit right in the head. His numbers hit him but those numbers seem just below his shoulder on the jersey, not overtop of his elbow, the Pens jerseys have that little stripe of yellow on the elbow, above the white strip I dunno, I’m still not sure either way but that’s a close one (I can’t find the clips on tsn.ca?).
On a sidenote, it seems kinda crazy that the difference between a dirty, suspendable hit and a clean hit could be a matter of inches on which part of your arm you crack the guy’s head with… :(

]]> By: Kaszycki's Krew http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4682 Kaszycki's Krew Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:30:42 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4682 Justin, I am from the generation that grew up watching Bobby Bourne play :) A true treat and pleasure to watch him all those years....and an important part of my growing up. Tell him he is still loved on Long Island ! I am not so much interested in your opinion on the legality of the hit - or - the potential suspension. Just back in my youth - The Ranger$ go after Mr. LaFontaine.......and Mr. Baumgartner and Mr. Vukota decided to "have a dance" with the Ranger$. If you touched Mr. Gretzky, Mr. Semenko would want to "have some dialogue" with you. If you touched Mr. Brett Hull, Mr. Twist and Mr. Chase would be stopping by for a chat. My question - Doesnt' it matter WHO Matt Cooke and Mike Richards hit? My whole problem was with that pre-season hit by Dion "The Turtle" Phaneuf against Kyle Okposo. I was happy as hell that Morency went after him and that Matt Martin asked him to dance later right on the spot. In each case - the opponent took out the leading goal scorer (if I am not mistaken) and retailiation is ESSENTIAL. Let me put it this way - if a 4th line part timer was hit by Cooke - that's life. But Marc Savard ? That is a problem. Your thoughts ? Justin, I am from the generation that grew up watching Bobby Bourne play :) A true treat and pleasure to watch him all those years….and an important part of my growing up. Tell him he is still loved on Long Island !

I am not so much interested in your opinion on the legality of the hit – or – the potential suspension. Just back in my youth – The Ranger$ go after Mr. LaFontaine…….and Mr. Baumgartner and Mr. Vukota decided to “have a dance” with the Ranger$. If you touched Mr. Gretzky, Mr. Semenko would want to “have some dialogue” with you. If you touched Mr. Brett Hull, Mr. Twist and Mr. Chase would be stopping by for a chat.

My question – Doesnt’ it matter WHO Matt Cooke and Mike Richards hit? My whole problem was with that pre-season hit by Dion “The Turtle” Phaneuf against Kyle Okposo. I was happy as hell that Morency went after him and that Matt Martin asked him to dance later right on the spot. In each case – the opponent took out the leading goal scorer (if I am not mistaken) and retailiation is ESSENTIAL. Let me put it this way – if a 4th line part timer was hit by Cooke – that’s life. But Marc Savard ? That is a problem. Your thoughts ?

]]> By: JDP http://www.jtbourne.com/options-avenging-cheapshot-pretty-limited/comment-page-1/#comment-4681 JDP Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:29:22 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=6272#comment-4681 The funny (or not so funny) subplot to this particular hit is the fact that Matt Cooke, whos in no danger of winning any popularity contests around the league himself, probably woke up to more than one congratulatory "attaboy" text message this morning from some of his peers. That Savard, while "wicked" talented, is one of the most intensely disliked players in the league. Hate to see anybody get their marbles shaken up, regardless of who it is, but I'm sure there were some sly grins. The funny (or not so funny) subplot to this particular hit is the fact that Matt Cooke, whos in no danger of winning any popularity contests around the league himself, probably woke up to more than one congratulatory “attaboy” text message this morning from some of his peers. That Savard, while “wicked” talented, is one of the most intensely disliked players in the league. Hate to see anybody get their marbles shaken up, regardless of who it is, but I’m sure there were some sly grins.

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