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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knock-knock.

Who&#039;s there?

Dwayne.

Dwayne who?

Dwayne the bathtub, I&#039;m drowning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knock-knock.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s there?</p>
<p>Dwayne.</p>
<p>Dwayne who?</p>
<p>Dwayne the bathtub, I&#8217;m drowning!</p>
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		<title>By: SDC</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2666</link>
		<dc:creator>SDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I&#039;m saying is that Vancouver fans are of the hardcore variety, and seem to go crazier than other fans every spring when they lose because they have emotionally invested themselves in deeper than say Columbus after sneaking into the playoffs or any other team in a low grade market.  Clearly Van&#039;s not the only team with this sort of following, and surely  I see this side more with them because I live in BC, and I see more Canucks fans around here than any other ones.  But again, there&#039;s only been a handful of teams that have had fans nutty enough to actually cause property damage as a group after a playoff knockout.  You&#039;d be hard pressed to not admit Luongo has been the biggest reason Van&#039;s been in the playoffs the last few years (yes, there&#039;s other talent, but he&#039;s the biggest part), and fans wanted him out the very next day.  I mean, come on folks.    

I&#039;m cool with the pride in your team thing, the ol&#039; &quot;through thick and thin&quot; routine.  It&#039;s admirable.  I think you&#039;re the right kind of Canuck fan, and I don&#039;t care for the bandwagon jumpers ( does anyone, anywhere?), who probably &#039;cause more of the riotous activity than anyone else.  

And lets get this straight: I only ever had LA Kings jammies, both the home and away set.  And if you could find Crystal Pepsi sold somewhere still, I would dig my old Gretz cup outta the basement boxes... that stuff was great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that Vancouver fans are of the hardcore variety, and seem to go crazier than other fans every spring when they lose because they have emotionally invested themselves in deeper than say Columbus after sneaking into the playoffs or any other team in a low grade market.  Clearly Van&#8217;s not the only team with this sort of following, and surely  I see this side more with them because I live in BC, and I see more Canucks fans around here than any other ones.  But again, there&#8217;s only been a handful of teams that have had fans nutty enough to actually cause property damage as a group after a playoff knockout.  You&#8217;d be hard pressed to not admit Luongo has been the biggest reason Van&#8217;s been in the playoffs the last few years (yes, there&#8217;s other talent, but he&#8217;s the biggest part), and fans wanted him out the very next day.  I mean, come on folks.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m cool with the pride in your team thing, the ol&#8217; &#8220;through thick and thin&#8221; routine.  It&#8217;s admirable.  I think you&#8217;re the right kind of Canuck fan, and I don&#8217;t care for the bandwagon jumpers ( does anyone, anywhere?), who probably &#8217;cause more of the riotous activity than anyone else.  </p>
<p>And lets get this straight: I only ever had LA Kings jammies, both the home and away set.  And if you could find Crystal Pepsi sold somewhere still, I would dig my old Gretz cup outta the basement boxes&#8230; that stuff was great!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you could argue that any good team failing to consistently win the Stanley Cup is &quot;stepping on a rake&quot;, only one team can win each year, and only four teams can get to the conference finals.  Again, being passionate about a team and being disappointed when they lose puts you in an exclusive club called Everybody.

Re: point 4, does Vancouver have to pay players extra for that?  Danger pay? Again, experiencing an unfair level of resentment from some fans after disappointing losses is not exclusive to Vancouver, or hockey, or North America, or the Western Hemisphere.

Re: V, You don&#039;t respect the casual Canucks fans because they are bandwagoners and leave when the wins stop, but you also pity the hardcore fans for being stupid/loyal enough to stick around through the bad times?  What are people supposed to do then? Sucking it up in the tough times isn&#039;t about intentionally causing yourself pain, it&#039;s about sticking with your club and being there when it turns around.   Better to have loved and lost, that&#039;s not just in Vancouver!  

Are you honestly telling me that right now, as you read this, you aren&#039;t wearing your old Oiler jammies and drinking crystal pepsi out of a Gretzky slurpee cup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you could argue that any good team failing to consistently win the Stanley Cup is &#8220;stepping on a rake&#8221;, only one team can win each year, and only four teams can get to the conference finals.  Again, being passionate about a team and being disappointed when they lose puts you in an exclusive club called Everybody.</p>
<p>Re: point 4, does Vancouver have to pay players extra for that?  Danger pay? Again, experiencing an unfair level of resentment from some fans after disappointing losses is not exclusive to Vancouver, or hockey, or North America, or the Western Hemisphere.</p>
<p>Re: V, You don&#8217;t respect the casual Canucks fans because they are bandwagoners and leave when the wins stop, but you also pity the hardcore fans for being stupid/loyal enough to stick around through the bad times?  What are people supposed to do then? Sucking it up in the tough times isn&#8217;t about intentionally causing yourself pain, it&#8217;s about sticking with your club and being there when it turns around.   Better to have loved and lost, that&#8217;s not just in Vancouver!  </p>
<p>Are you honestly telling me that right now, as you read this, you aren&#8217;t wearing your old Oiler jammies and drinking crystal pepsi out of a Gretzky slurpee cup?</p>
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		<title>By: SDC</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2654</link>
		<dc:creator>SDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s anything Bourne&#039;s Blog readers should fear, it is a well articulated response from Vancouver loyalist, Neil Corbett. :)

Here&#039;s my own, likely less thorough....

I) For the record, I have no allegiance to the Edmonton Oilers.  The fewer rumors of the contrary, the better. 

II) You make a good point about other Canadian hockey cities&#039; passionate fans.  I think Montreal is another great example, with Patrick Roy and his last Hab game in particular.  Ok, other cities crucify their hometown heroes when they lose too.  

III) I love a city&#039;s passion for their home team, don&#039;t get me wrong.  I love it, and it makes for an awesome game atmosphere.  But nothing says, &quot;this isn&#039;t just a game, now let&#039;s take it too far!&quot; like flipping cop cars, burglarly, and burning down buildings of innocent and unaffiliated citizens, or people who happen to cheer for opposing teams (though Pollock has made me consider dismantling the Saddledome in a not so legal way, on more than one occasion).  Go to the game, boo, cheer, buy souvenirs, enjoy yourself and support your team, but hey, can we leave it at the rink and keep it legal? You&#039;re right, Vancouver is nowhere near the only city guilty of this either, but between them, Philly, Montreal, and maybe a few others; it&#039;s a pretty exclusive club, isn&#039;t it? 

IV) I&#039;ve got no problem with a team &quot;bucking up&quot; to keep their stars around, but it should be purely based on the recognition of their abilities and contribution to the success of the team; not due to requesting &quot;danger pay&quot; because players feel as though the may get stabbed when encountering an angry fan on the street after a playoff loss (a little sensationalized, yes), or just generally not wanting to be in the city anymore because of the distain he feels from everyone in the city.

V)  In all honesty, I feel for Vancouver fans because they are so passionate for their team, and they have their hearts broken EVERY year.  I admire the toil and faith of the &quot;hardcore&quot; fan, but I just don&#039;t know how many times you can step on a rake until you consider that you don&#039;t have to intentionally cause yourself that kind of pain time and time again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s anything Bourne&#8217;s Blog readers should fear, it is a well articulated response from Vancouver loyalist, Neil Corbett. <img src='http://www.jtbourne.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my own, likely less thorough&#8230;.</p>
<p>I) For the record, I have no allegiance to the Edmonton Oilers.  The fewer rumors of the contrary, the better. </p>
<p>II) You make a good point about other Canadian hockey cities&#8217; passionate fans.  I think Montreal is another great example, with Patrick Roy and his last Hab game in particular.  Ok, other cities crucify their hometown heroes when they lose too.  </p>
<p>III) I love a city&#8217;s passion for their home team, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I love it, and it makes for an awesome game atmosphere.  But nothing says, &#8220;this isn&#8217;t just a game, now let&#8217;s take it too far!&#8221; like flipping cop cars, burglarly, and burning down buildings of innocent and unaffiliated citizens, or people who happen to cheer for opposing teams (though Pollock has made me consider dismantling the Saddledome in a not so legal way, on more than one occasion).  Go to the game, boo, cheer, buy souvenirs, enjoy yourself and support your team, but hey, can we leave it at the rink and keep it legal? You&#8217;re right, Vancouver is nowhere near the only city guilty of this either, but between them, Philly, Montreal, and maybe a few others; it&#8217;s a pretty exclusive club, isn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>IV) I&#8217;ve got no problem with a team &#8220;bucking up&#8221; to keep their stars around, but it should be purely based on the recognition of their abilities and contribution to the success of the team; not due to requesting &#8220;danger pay&#8221; because players feel as though the may get stabbed when encountering an angry fan on the street after a playoff loss (a little sensationalized, yes), or just generally not wanting to be in the city anymore because of the distain he feels from everyone in the city.</p>
<p>V)  In all honesty, I feel for Vancouver fans because they are so passionate for their team, and they have their hearts broken EVERY year.  I admire the toil and faith of the &#8220;hardcore&#8221; fan, but I just don&#8217;t know how many times you can step on a rake until you consider that you don&#8217;t have to intentionally cause yourself that kind of pain time and time again.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they&#039;re the most one-dimensional fans in the world, certainly the most one-dimensional of any hockey market.  Porbably the most one-dimensional in Canada.  Well, at least out of Calgary, Toronto, and Edmonton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they&#8217;re the most one-dimensional fans in the world, certainly the most one-dimensional of any hockey market.  Porbably the most one-dimensional in Canada.  Well, at least out of Calgary, Toronto, and Edmonton.</p>
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		<title>By: jtbourne</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>jtbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beckmann - we are under no obligation to follow the NFL, though by listing my favourite CFL teams as the Lions and Roughriders, I have a 25% chance of winning a Grey Cup every year.

Neil - plus, Canucks fans only celebrate when THEIR TEAM scores.  So one-dimensional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beckmann &#8211; we are under no obligation to follow the NFL, though by listing my favourite CFL teams as the Lions and Roughriders, I have a 25% chance of winning a Grey Cup every year.</p>
<p>Neil &#8211; plus, Canucks fans only celebrate when THEIR TEAM scores.  So one-dimensional.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2648</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, and I hate how Vancouver fans always leave their empty beer cups under the seats after the games, I mean, PICK THEM UP!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, and I hate how Vancouver fans always leave their empty beer cups under the seats after the games, I mean, PICK THEM UP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ghetto Fonzie</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2631</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghetto Fonzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I have to add to the off topic comments.

I agree with SDC, the Vancouver Canucks do have the worst bandwagon jumping fans in the NHL. As a longtime resident of Vancouver who is not a &#039;Nucks fan, I have watched it time and again, when the team is successful the streets are flooded with jerseys. When they are going through a rough patch, all people can talk about is how much they suck.

P.S. Love the blog. Your take on things from the player&#039;s perspective is great. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I have to add to the off topic comments.</p>
<p>I agree with SDC, the Vancouver Canucks do have the worst bandwagon jumping fans in the NHL. As a longtime resident of Vancouver who is not a &#8216;Nucks fan, I have watched it time and again, when the team is successful the streets are flooded with jerseys. When they are going through a rough patch, all people can talk about is how much they suck.</p>
<p>P.S. Love the blog. Your take on things from the player&#8217;s perspective is great. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Beckmann</title>
		<link>http://www.jtbourne.com/nhls-quarterly-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2630</link>
		<dc:creator>Beckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bourne, as Canadians living in the US are we still obliged to watch the Grey Cup on Sunday? Does it depend on what regular season NFL game is playing at the same time? Ouch. If we are supposed to/want to, it&#039;s playing at Jack&#039;s.
    I laughed when I read this quote about how many Roughrider fans will be at the game in Calgary. &quot;Ray Charles is going to be able to see the amount of green we have coming here on Sunday, so it&#039;s awesome,&quot; defensive back Stevie Baggs declared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bourne, as Canadians living in the US are we still obliged to watch the Grey Cup on Sunday? Does it depend on what regular season NFL game is playing at the same time? Ouch. If we are supposed to/want to, it&#8217;s playing at Jack&#8217;s.<br />
    I laughed when I read this quote about how many Roughrider fans will be at the game in Calgary. &#8220;Ray Charles is going to be able to see the amount of green we have coming here on Sunday, so it&#8217;s awesome,&#8221; defensive back Stevie Baggs declared.</p>
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		<title>By: Char</title>
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		<dc:creator>Char</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, finally got a chance to read the article on Burke. Absolutely fantastic. God love that young man. 

I do think, however, that the reaction of the Miami of Ohio players is typical (there will always be a loud minority of haters and idiots): My friend is gay. OK. Pass the beer nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, finally got a chance to read the article on Burke. Absolutely fantastic. God love that young man. </p>
<p>I do think, however, that the reaction of the Miami of Ohio players is typical (there will always be a loud minority of haters and idiots): My friend is gay. OK. Pass the beer nuts.</p>
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