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Homophobia in Hockey – The Response (UPDATED)

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Response, as was to be expected, has been fast and furious, minus the Vin Diesel.  I’ve heard from the Director of GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation), and from the director of the NYC Gay Hockey Association. 

The following is an except from Jeff Kagan’s email to me (said Director of NYCGHA), to which I responded that unlike sexuality, being a Ranger fan is a choice, and for that I’m allowed to boo him.

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First, on phrase-ology: you learn something new everyday.

Early on in your article, you used the term “sexual orientation”, but later on, you used the term “sexual preference”.  To me, the term “sexual preference” has contributed to many of the problems facing the gay community.  The term implies that being gay is a choice (a preference).  As I’m sure you know, it is not a choice, though many people who come out against the gay community suggest that we have the choice to change who we are.  I wanted to clarify the semantics of that term, as it has been used for so long, by so many, most people don’t even think about what it means.  Its a commonly misused term, and it misleads the people who hear it.”

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And next, again from Jeff, a story that makes me want to punch an endless number of people:

I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the NYC Gay Hockey Association once had an unpleasant experience at Madison Square Garden.  We had arranged for group seats for 30 of our members and friends.  We were all enjoying the game.  During the first intermission, it is customary for the Group Ticket purchasers (usually companies and organizations) to have their name displayed on the jumbotron.  When the name “New York City Gay Hockey Association” went up, hundreds and hundreds of people started booing.  I can’t even tell you what that felt like.  I was horrified just to think they these hockey fans, people who loved hockey as much as I do, were so close-minded and hateful about the gay community.  It pretty much soured my interest in the NHL, and its been a slow road coming back.  This story was written up in the New York Times.  We even met with Madison Square Garden & Cablevision officials to deal with it, and come up with solutions for providing a more welcoming environment for everyone.”

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Greg Wyshynski or “Puck Daddy”, who is Yahoo! sports resident hockey blogger, wrote a great response to my piece.  The comments section is less attractive. 

The most common resistance I’m getting from people are those preaching free speech. 

My stance on that is two-fold.  One, I love free speech, and I’m not very politically correct myself.  But if you insist on extending “free-speech” to meaning offending anyone you want whenever you want, then you’re just a dick.  That one is pretty simple.

And two, I’m fine with verbally abusing friends… about things they can control.  So if my teammate is fat, I feel okay about calling him a lard-ass, because it’s different (with apologies to those with glandular conditions).  A gay guy can’t put down the fork, get on a treadmill and ungay himself (not that he would if he could – as Neil pointed out in the comment secion below, being gay is to be seen as not something wrong, but a trait, like being tall).

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More response – I exchanged emails with ex-professional basketball player Paul Shirley in the last couple days, and he wrote back a pretty compelling point.  Paul played for Chicago, Phoenix, Minnesota… er… New Orleans?  Dude played on 11 teams in seven years, including ones in Greece, Russia and beyond.  His thought on gay athletes in basketball:

“The only one that comes to mind wrote the book on the subject. Literally.  John Amaechi wrote Man In The Middle about his experience as a gay basketball player.  He was closeted when he played; the book took care of his uncloseting.  In your article, you mention flippantly that there needs to be research done on the lack of gay professional athletes.  I think that’s a legitimate question because it doesn’t seem that the barrier of persecution explains away the dearth of them.  I can’t remember a single basketball coach saying anything even remotely anti-homosexual, but I’ve never had a gay teammate.  (That I knew of.)  Even assuming that there were a few along the way, there was certainly no silent minority of gay basketball players.  Thus, it seems to me that it would be interesting to learn whether or not the particular genetic makeup it takes to be a professional athlete somehow precludes liking one’s own sex more than the opposite.”

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My favourite part of today has been the kind emails from supporters – sorry I haven’t been able to get back to everyone.  Tomorrow I’ll be running excerpts from a number of the emails that I’ve received from gay men in hockey.   And not even one of them came onto to me.  Can you believe it?  You’re shocked, I sense it.

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30 Responses to “Homophobia in Hockey – The Response (UPDATED)”
  1. James says:

    Isn’t closed minded hate a wonderful thing?

    I almost wish someone along the lines of Todd Bertuzzi or Donald Brashear were openly gay to make these internet tough guys shut the heck up.

  2. Neil says:

    I see what you’re saying about the changeable versus non-changeable traits, but it seems like that equates being gay with other unfortunate things, like being fat, absent minded, or lazy, but gives homosexuality a free pass because you can’t change it. I don’t think this is why: it’s not wrong because sexual orientation can’t be changed, it’s that there is nothing wrong with being gay any more than there is something “wrong” with being tall, so why use it as ammo for an insult?

    Odd to see that so many people equate being less hateful about homosexuality with having their free speech impeded…. where exactly do those issues touch each other? The laws we’re going to pass banning people from saying fag or homo? Way to take a stand, heroes of the Constitution. But be honest Bourne, the most common comment by far is some variation of “Sidney Crosby is gay”.

    I’m not sure what to make of the comment from Shirley about genetic makeup of an athlete and being heterosexual, I might be misunderstanding his point?. If we assume that “there were a few (gays) along the way”, doesn’t that mean that there WOULD be a “silent minority” of gay professional athletes (just like there is surely a silent gay minority that chooses to stay in the closet in many professional settings, like a law firm or bank?). My point is, the theory about a connection between “the genetic makeup it takes to be a professional athlete” and “liking one’s own sex more than the opposite” only makes sense if we accept his two questionable premises that 1) In general, there are no professional gay athletes, or far less than you’d expect, and 2) There is a special “genetic makeup” that all successful professional athletes share. It sounds like Shirley might need to jump into a couple NYCGHA games?

    Oh yeah, and Puck Daddy called you “one of the more interesting hockey columnists on the Web”.

  3. jtbourne says:

    I like your point about being gay being equitable to being tall, but a difference is a difference, and that’s what’s targeted in the dressing room. Maybe I try to avoid the unchangeable traits we all have when abusing a teammate in jest, but if you’re tall, you still get the brunt of tall jokes by most of the guys. “Hey, set your drink on the jumbotron and help me carry this?”. In general, I beak the changeable. “That shirt is sick, and it’s so cool that an MMA company sponsored you. I didn’t even know you fought”.

  4. Anna S. says:

    re: Mr. Shirley’s comments on genetics;

    I think the lack of out athletes can be explained without resorting to genetics, even in locker rooms where coaches are tolerant (or at least not openly intolerant). If it could mean losing millions of dollars; gaining a reputation for putting self before team in the inevitable publicity that coming out would bring; losing endorsements from companies with smallminded CEOs, or with openminded CEOs fearful of losing customers; risking permanent injury taking runs from angry players or players convinced somehow sexuality affects ability; enduring the inevitable persecution from anti-gay groups; etc, is it any wonder that a gay teammate would choose to stay closeted, even if they never heard slurs from their coaches? That list doesn’t even begin to take personal and religious reasons into account, or the fear that teammates wouldn’t be fully supportive.

    I don’t buy a genetic link between homosexuality and whatever it takes to be a pro athlete at all, and women’s testimony about lesbian athletes they’ve known supports the idea that sexual orientation has no biological effect on playing ability. Wonder why it’s not as big a deal for there to be lesbians in a women’s hockey locker room, but even at lower levels there are no gay men? It’s because womens sports don’t have nearly as much staked on the idea of masculinity. There is no equivalent in womens sports to “Semin’s less of a man if he can’t fight” or “Crosby’s gay because he whines to the refs”. There’s less of a barrier to lesbianism, because the game isn’t caught up in a very gender-role-specific self image. Girls who play hockey are automatically gender-role transgressive – they’re playing one of the few contact sports that allow women to have teams – so what’s one more transgression among many?

  5. Peter says:

    Jason,
    Great article and thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. I too hope there is soon an out NHL player, as there are certainly are at the very least a handful of gay NHLers. I think there is one important distinction in trash talk/friendly banter that needs to be made. Within a team/group of friends, there is a big difference between making jokes lightheartedly about something that is “out there” and not a sensitive issue. For example, it’s not a big deal to make fun a teammate for being tall (your example) as everyone knows he’s tall and he’s probably not sensitive about it. Similarly, I play on a team that is about 70% gay and making sexuality related jokes is no big deal, because we are all friends and know that everyone is supportive of each other. There are gay jokes and straight jokes being thrown around, and it’s all in good fun. However, if you’re making the jokes towards a straight player as a way to demean them, that is a different situation and that’s what I think you were getting at. I hope this makes sense…

  6. Blake says:

    First of all, Justin, absolutely fantastic article. I’ve forwarded it on to many of my friends and family…Even non-hockey fans, simply because it brings up many great points.

    Here’s my two cents. I think you were spot on about your free speech comments. It’s very troubling to me to see that so many people are equating gay-bashing and free speech. As a country, we seem to be taken aback about anybody telling us not to do anything. From gun ownership rights to freedom of assembly to freedom of speech. Anytime anybody says something that we feel “infringes on our liberties,” people get all up in arms.

    But the difference is between a) say and do things and b) actually doing them.

    Yes. The first amendment protects my right to call someone a racial slur or speak negatively about their sexual orientation, but just because I can, doesn’t mean I should. On the same token, the first amendment also protects my right to burn the American flag should I choose to. Again, it doesn’t mean I should nor does it make it right.

    Honestly I think that, before you see a change in the culture in professional sports, you will first need to see a change in our culture. As widely accepted as homosexuality is, there are still a great deal of people who do not accept it and even discriminate because of it. While we have undoubtedly come a long way in that regard, we still have a long way to go.

    I really do think that you did a fantastic job not only covering this topic in full, but also covering it with a great deal of respect. Again, great article and I hope this spurs on some sort of action!

  7. Neil says:

    Haha yeah I see what you’re saying. Maybe we’re talking about two different things, there really isn’t anything out of bounds for friendly insults because they aren’t actually meant to make people feel like never coming back. So, if someone plasters you into the boards and you have one chance to say something nasty and hopefully shake him up a bit, what do you aim for and why? My theory is that you aim for things you think he should be embarrassed about, because you want to cut as deep as you can and get in his head (like Avery telling Boudreau he’s so fat that he’s going to die early). I feel like a threshold is crossed when that comment is about someone being black, or gay, or white, because those are things that only become negative if you adopt a set of assumptions that are only really attached through cultural intolerance (whereas being fat is negative for more direct reasons that are less dependent on racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Being really fat sucks for obvious reasons, agreed?). Imagine if being tall became socially attached to negative stereotypes, like if people thought being tall made you untrustworthy, and there were a few decades or even centuries where people over 6’5 were treated like third-class citizens. Making a serious comment to someone about being a “lying tall person” would have an element of oppression and intolerance to it that goes way beyond pointing out they might be a jumbotron, because the entire insult only makes sense if one adopts the underlying assumptions about tall people (which a person is presumably doing by using the insult and being serious). I dunno though, the more I think about this, the less confident I am…

  8. Neil says:

    Anna S: That’s exactly what I was thinking there too.

  9. hb says:

    I don’t think that the issue in your article is really homophobia, which is not to say that homophobia isn’t a problem in male sports but that it takes a different form. What you are talking about is the use of emasculation in sports and how that combines with the societal assumptions that gay men aren’t true men.

    Coaches need to coach without resorting to degrading their players. You can call your team’s performance pathetic; you should not call your players pathetic. The coaches have so much control over their players, especially in the minor leagues or the developmental leagues, and it’s so easy to cross the line between insulting a player and emotionally abusing a player. You just never know what’s going to happen when you start insulting a player. I have an entire thesis on how seemingly innocuous comments from coaches and staff about weight contribute to the prevalence of disordered eating in athletics (and it’s not just women who are affected.) And if the coach is not insulting the player in the first place, then he won’t be insulting the player by calling him gay.

    Players are going to insult each other, that’s just sports, but your article only works for the playful insults where you’re just talking out of your rear and don’t even mean half of what you say. When a player’s insulting another player maliciously with the intention to hurt them, you can change the language that is used so they might not be insulting gays anymore but instead they’ll be insulting women, or fat people, or ethnic/cultural minorities. It’s the same problem in a different color.

    The real underlying issue in your article is the “manly men” idea that permeates sports, otherwise insulting a player’s masculinity wouldn’t be so effective. This idolized view of masculinity is a bigger problem than just how the players treat each other or their feelings on homosexuality. It affects their health because they don’t want to be “weak” and tell the medical staff when they’re hurt or sit out when they need to rest an injury. It can affect their rate of sexual activity and how they relate to women. Athletes will hide their “less masculine” hobbies and interests from their teammates. But I don’t know how we can start to change those beliefs especially when what an athlete considers manly or heterosexual varies so much between different sports or different teams. I mean, anyone who has experience in athletics has seen normative behaviors that outsiders would associate with women, gays, or at the least extreme metrosexuals; for example, I worked with an entire team of male soccer players that shaved their legs.

    Further, Paul Shirley’s “compelling point” relies on the assumption that there’s always some magic sign that tells you if a person is gay or straight without they themselves telling you. Not all gay people behave in stereotypically flamboyant manners. The genetics idea is just the same old argument that you have to be a real man to play sports and gays aren’t real men so there are no gays in sports. That said, I do know some lesbian athletes who have said that they took longer to realize their sexuality because their only real exposure to the female form was in the locker room and they never viewed their teammates in a sexual manner.

  10. Angela says:

    poll:

    how many of you guys have had a coach call you “ladies” or “girls” when he meant to criticize your performance? how many of you call each other p***sies when you mean to insult each other?
    how many of you assume that “feminine” means weak, and would be insulted to be so called?
    how many of you associate male homosexuality with feminine behavior?

    now how many of you know real actual gay men? newsflash – they are still men, and some of them are very NON feminine, just like some straight guys are not very macho. This problem goes further than homophobia, which of course is a huge problem. when humans give up misogyny and homophobia at the same time, we may then consider ourselves evolved. i still love hockey, and i try to teach my kid not to be a bigot, and when the first pro hockey star finally comes out, he will be one of the biggest hockey heroes of them all, in my book – and a far braver MAN than the guy in the locker room calling him a f**.

  11. Buddha says:

    Justin-

    Thank you for bringing up the topic today. Anytime, anywhere, it is always good to rock the boat and make people think. While change will not come fast enough for anyone, it will come. Simply looking at the viewpoint of my grandfathers to mine, the world has come a very, very long way.

    Thanks again Justin, and keep up the good work.

  12. Oscar says:

    JB-

    I started reading your blog after seeing some of your stuff on The Hockey News website. I was on Yahoo this afternoon and saw them talking about your USA today article. Keep up the good work.

  13. Officer Koharski says:

    I don’t really have anything important to add, but I’d like to comment on the email from Kagan; I respectfully disagree. Of course, being a homosexual for some people is a predetermined thing. You just come out that way, that’s the way you feel and it’s natural. But not every gay/bisexual person fits that bill, there are a fair amount of people to whom the term Sexual Preference applies, and it’s stupid to pick on that phrase as being insensitive or inaccurate. A particular friend of mine would use that phrase to describe himself – he was heterosexual for most of his life, and eventually he realized he likes dudes too. He prefers girls for the romance but occasionally finds himself attracted to guys. It’s also worth adding the guy is the first one to crack a joke and that candor usually removes any would be awkwardness right away. He doesn’t tiptoe around it and that’s what creates acceptance. If one is shy and embarrassed about something, that anxiety spreads like wildfire. Why make an issue out of something that isn’t.

    He makes a fair point that it could lead certain people to misunderstand the meaning of the word, but how far are we going to go making everything perfect? If people see sexual prefrence and jump to the conclusion that ‘They decided to be gay one day!’, than that’s their fault for being shortsighted and ignorant. The term Sexual Preference is perfectly applicable in lots of different circumstances and if dumb people can’t comprehend the spirit of the phrase, hard cheese. Forget em.

  14. Nicky says:

    Great article, Justin – you nailed this one. As for the theory that there aren’t gay guys playing professional hockey, basketball, or whatever… I don’t buy it for a second. At the end of the day, a professional locker room is both professional and a locker room. By and large, you don’t come out at work. And doubly so when there is showering and undressing together. Not that ANYTHING in a hockey locker room is even remotely sexy (try getting romantic with hockey stink in the air. Go on, I dare you.)

  15. A.B. says:

    One of the first things I thought of when I read your mention gay professional athletes of a few days ago was the few openly gay footballers and Ian Roberts (rugby) in Australia. I didn’t comb through all the pages of responses on USA Today to see if it was mentioned. The first page hurt my head with stupid enough for today.

    Now, before generalizing Australian culture at European and therefore more frou-frou, it really is not. Australian men have the same kind of macho complex, if not worse than, as Americans. The same kind of cowboy and conquering the wilderness background with which Americans are raised. I have not delved into researching the public reaction to their openly gay soccer players, or how it affected the athletes’ careers. Pretty much just brushed surface while I was interning for PFLAG. Before anyone asks or makes any assumptions, I am a perfectly happy heterosexual.

    The friends I have floating around in the minors have never expressed any objection or distaste for my gay friends when I mention them, or they meet, and this includes two men who are married to each other.

    Justin Fashanu was the first soccer player who played in Australia, England, Canada, and for the LA Heat.

  16. Josh says:

    C’mon, Justin. I think you’re actually trying to just make a name for yourself with this article, and I’m saying that as a guy with several friends who are gay (although I don’t think that qualifier was necessary). Homosexual slurs aren’t right at the end of day, but lets face the facts, 90-97% (depending on what study you go by) of hockey players/men aren’t fans of the practice… and 90% of those men would find sex with another man repulsive — hence, gay slurs. Of all sports, I think hockey would be best able to deal with a homosexual player. However, I think you’re overreaching at best, writing a controversial article for popularity, at worst.

  17. zyllyx says:

    “Of all sports, I think hockey would be best able to deal with a homosexual player.”

    I really, seriously, completely doubt that.

    In fact, I think of the “big four” major sports – baseball, football, basketball, and hockey – hockey might be the least equipped to handle the idea.

    And that’s just the people inside the sport. Don’t even get me started on the FANS. Hell, a majority of hockey FANS can’t handle the idea of their game being played in a desert city that’s TWO WHOLE HOURS from a place where ice naturally occurs in the winter. Homosexuality? Fuhgeddaboutit.

    The hockey community and fans count as one of their fundamental traits “MANLINESS,” and homosexuality – in theory, anyway – supposedly is the antithesis of that. Of course, in reality that’s a ridiculous notion, but let’s be frank – hockey is a sport where myths are cherished (for instance, the myth that taking head shots out of the game would turn hockey into figure skating – woops, there’s another “lack of manliness” example).

    Kudos to Justin for having the balls to write this piece. Or the tits if you think “balls” is too gender specific. :)

  18. Daniel Ou says:

    As much as I admire Mr. Bourne’s courageous stance, I have to wonder why this conversation is even necessary in the year 2010?As a gay male hockey player, I don’t even think about sexual orientation on the ice – only about beating you to the puck. How is that even relevant when you can’t breathe after your shift? What the hell does sexual orientation have to do with that? Hate me because I am faster than you, not because of who I am attracted to. Wake up people. What world and time are you living in? Apparently, ignorance knows no boundaries. But thank you for bringing up the issue.

  19. Travelchic59 says:

    It’s 2009 and I cannot comprehend in this day and age that people still think homosexuality is a “choice”!

    Very good article, Justin. My apologies for not responding at the USA site. I could not get past the first page of ignorant, neanderthal comments. I would almost bet those posting them were also racists and sexists.

  20. Amy Jo says:

    This is a response for Josh ~

    Did Justin write the piece to make people think? Of course. Did he do it to make a name for himself? I’m not sure that attaching his name to this issue gives him any in-roads in the hockey community. If anything, it makes them slightly pissy at him.

    Justin didn’t need to write a controversial article to have people know who he was. A ton of people have been reading his blog and articles before this. He’s in Phx now and although he gives us some crap about the Coyotes, he is ours. Back off.

  21. Darren says:

    @Josh – Given that Justin wrote an article targeting a problem in hockey that is prevalent, and one that you just admitted exists, I’m confused as to how you think he could be simply writing for popularity.

    If it was about racism in hockey, nobody would find it controversial or disagree with Bourne’s argument. But because it’s about something that people want to keep invisible, hidden, and closeted, they decide it’s a non-issue, controversy over nothing.

  22. jtbourne says:

    Heyyyy, Amy Jo, thanks. I feel like I’m a part of a team again, gettin’ a little back-up.

    I just want to say thanks so much to all those who’ve sent me messages of support, some very personal messages, and let you know I’m sorry I haven’t had time to write everyone back individually (I received over 100 emails today). I think tomorrow at three I’ll stop looking at this computer screen and start looking at a pint of Guiness. That sounds like waaayyy more fun.

  23. Andrea says:

    To quote Angela…
    “and when the first pro hockey star finally comes out, he will be one of the biggest hockey heroes of them all, in my book –”
    I, too will be a HUGE fan of the first openly gay hockey player….unless it turns out to be Sean Avery =)

  24. Sally says:

    I didn’t grow up a sports fan, but I’ve learned to love that sense of community I feel when I’m nestled in the Garden with 18,200 of my best friends, watching the Rangers kick the Islanders’ butts. Isn’t that sense of community something that every hockey fan loves? Unfortunately, it’s the fans more than anyone else (even Redden!) who shatter that bond for me when they say make their stupid homophobic, racist, or sexist comments.

    Thanks for starting this discussion, Justin. It IS going to take some time to fix these problems, but we’ll never get anywhere if people aren’t willing to start these important discussions.

  25. dwgs says:

    Well done Mr. Bourne.
    Man, there’s some hateful individuals over at Puckdaddy’s.
    Yahoo indeed.

  26. minnesotagirl71 says:

    The words being thrown around in the locker room don’t only impact the person they are directed towards. They impact everyone hearing them. I would imagine that if a gay player hears his teammate using the word “gay” as an insult (even when directed at someone else) he may take it as an indicator of his teammate’s attitude about homosexuality. That just reinforces the decision to stay in the closet.

  27. Neil says:

    Re:Minnestoagirl, that makes me think about what kind of effect it has on a person to hang out with a group of guys who claim to be totally fine with being gay, have university degrees, and dress as Freddy Mercury for Halloween, but still use “gay” as a synonym for weak, cowardly, or whatever. In a way, that’s kind of worse than having hateful idiots say it, it creates the impression that everyone agrees on the stereotypes even if they don’t get bothered by them.

    It’s interesting that some people here are commenting that they do not get any hostility, insults, or anything from other people in the dressing room even though they are openly gay, while at the same time, most of the other commenters understand exactly what Bourne is talking about. It would be nice (in a way) to think that maybe people are just mindlessly parroting a cultural pattern of behaviour, and then slipping easily into acceptance once they actually have a friend or close acquaintance that forces (or… allows?) them to think of things from the other perspective?

  28. minnesotagirl71 says:

    Nice point, Neil! Those who disagree with the sterotypes and are bothered by the use of them need to speak out – respectfully let friends and family know that those words/attitudes are not ok. There are so many other adjectives we can use to describe people…adjectives that are not insulting/demeaning to an entire population of people.

    When my teenage nieces and nephews use “gay” or “retarded” to describe something, I ask them one of two questions:
    1. Is he/she/it happy or homosexual? Neither? Choose a new adjective.
    2. Does he/she/it have a medical diagnosis of mental retardation? No? Choose a new adjective.

    At the very least it has encouaged them to get REALLY creative with their adjectives! They have had me laughing hysterically at the stuff they come up with to replace those words.

  29. Shannon says:

    Wow. How about that backhanded slam stating that if it is biological that individuals are gay then perhaps the supposed lack of gays in professional sports can be attributed somehow to the biology of a professional athlete? Clearly, this person is not, or has not, ever excelled at a sport. As someone who has been an elite athlete since I was quite young, I can tell you professional sports are 90% mental. We all have our reasons for having the drive to excel, whether it’s the need to please, to escape our demons (e.g Theo Fleury), or whatever else makes us overachievers. In a sport such as mine, where an extreme amount of strength and endurance is obvious, and critical, being gay isn’t something that’s ever been affiliated with it for any reason. Yet, more and more athletes in the elite ranks have been coming out — perhaps because there are no big professional contracts, just Olympic and World prestige. Clearly, it’s all about acceptance, and we’d be very naive – or very much in denial — to think that the 10% homosexual rule doesn’t permeate hockey or any other sport at the top levels.

  30. mikey says:

    hey im 17 and play hockey in minnesota on my high school team (which is very very competitive here) im also gay n toly in the closet. the whole sport is very anti gay wit prety much the biggest slam that neone can say gainst u being stop playin so gay. i plan to play at a division1 college n dont plan on coming out till im dun unless somthin changes big time. so yea i hate bein in the closet n lyin to everyone but hate it even more that im not strong enough just to be out.

    we need more stories like this n more guys like brendan burke to make it clear that u can be gay n still tough and manly. i started a blog awhile ago n b4 doin this never even really knew ne gay hockey players, its cool to see that there are some out there n that im not alone

    thanks for the story jason

    mikey

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