Comments on: Burrowing With An Auger. Plus Ovy and Conan. http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/ This Just in... Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:42:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Donald Dunlop http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3593 Donald Dunlop Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:26:02 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3593 JB, I was only sure it wasn't Lawrence Taylor. After that ... yep ... I had no clue. JB,
I was only sure it wasn’t Lawrence Taylor. After that … yep … I had no clue.

]]> By: Pete L http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3580 Pete L Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:39:58 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3580 I agree that Ovie would've come forth with a solid performance if Bradley didn't step in. AO seems like he can do anything well on the frozen pond. You moved out of the NYC area too young. Everyone around here knows that there is only one LT. He is the simply the greatest LB ever! I agree that Ovie would’ve come forth with a solid performance if Bradley didn’t step in. AO seems like he can do anything well on the frozen pond.

You moved out of the NYC area too young. Everyone around here knows that there is only one LT. He is the simply the greatest LB ever!

]]> By: Will77 http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3579 Will77 Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3579 Damn work kept me from responding to this till now.... Me, the omish, and cave people are the only people not on Twitter at this point I believe, so didn't see that question about which was the worse deal. Its a tough one, Chara has a Norris and is as shut down as it comes, and Spezza probably = Yashin. But at the time, Chara seemed like an experiment that would never come through (can you make a 9ft tall guy a great player in a sport that requires coordination), and Yashin was if nothing else a PR move that was desperately needed. And he did bring them to the playoffs his first year. The Luongo deal is horrible on so many fronts. Jokinen was a top 20 player for a few seasons, but Parrish did get us a ton of goals. And Kvasha was horrible but you could tell he had potential but no desire. I'll call that a wash to be generous. However, hindsight is great, and we can see that Luongo vs DP is no contest. I'm a huge DP fan, but Luongo has regularly been the best goalie in the world in the Non-Brodeur-Division. What really, really, really makes this deal horrible is this: Isles could have kept a Vezina goalie AND drafted either Heatley or Gaborik. Thats what blows any other deal out of the water. Just think... Luongo in net, Chara on D, Heatley/Gaborik on the wing, Spezza at center. I'll take that over Tavares/Bailey/Okposo any day. Damn work kept me from responding to this till now…. Me, the omish, and cave people are the only people not on Twitter at this point I believe, so didn’t see that question about which was the worse deal. Its a tough one, Chara has a Norris and is as shut down as it comes, and Spezza probably = Yashin. But at the time, Chara seemed like an experiment that would never come through (can you make a 9ft tall guy a great player in a sport that requires coordination), and Yashin was if nothing else a PR move that was desperately needed. And he did bring them to the playoffs his first year.

The Luongo deal is horrible on so many fronts. Jokinen was a top 20 player for a few seasons, but Parrish did get us a ton of goals. And Kvasha was horrible but you could tell he had potential but no desire. I’ll call that a wash to be generous. However, hindsight is great, and we can see that Luongo vs DP is no contest. I’m a huge DP fan, but Luongo has regularly been the best goalie in the world in the Non-Brodeur-Division. What really, really, really makes this deal horrible is this: Isles could have kept a Vezina goalie AND drafted either Heatley or Gaborik. Thats what blows any other deal out of the water.

Just think… Luongo in net, Chara on D, Heatley/Gaborik on the wing, Spezza at center. I’ll take that over Tavares/Bailey/Okposo any day.

]]> By: karlooch http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3578 karlooch Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:37:57 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3578 I think Ovechkin would have landed some shots. What Bradley did was dead on as a teammate but I would have liked to see Ovechkin throw a few. On the other note what the hell happened in rec? Fights? Game called? Was it a full moon or something? Weird I think Ovechkin would have landed some shots. What Bradley did was dead on as a teammate but I would have liked to see Ovechkin throw a few. On the other note what the hell happened in rec? Fights? Game called? Was it a full moon or something? Weird

]]> By: Char http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3574 Char Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:50:02 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3574 Oh, geez, Firestorm (showing my age too, here, haha), Bobby Orr loved a good scrap, and he was damn good at it too! Yes, the rest of the Bruins certainly had his back, but IMHO he'd take a move like Bradley's as an insult to his manhood. Oh, geez, Firestorm (showing my age too, here, haha), Bobby Orr loved a good scrap, and he was damn good at it too! Yes, the rest of the Bruins certainly had his back, but IMHO he’d take a move like Bradley’s as an insult to his manhood.

]]> By: Kev http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3572 Kev Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:05:37 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3572 Absolutely agree with Neil on Ovie. Questions about Ovie's toughness or needing someone to fight for him go out the window because it's not like Ovie asked Brads to step in and fight for him. Ovie showed all that he needed to when he dropped the gloves to fight Downie straight up. Bradley also absolutely did the right thing. if you all remember earlier this year against Columbus, Ovie got into a scrum and was out with an injury for the next couple of games. Who's to say that the same wouldn't happen in a fight? Isn't that what happened to Brassard last year? CBJ lost him for the rest of the season because he got injured in a fight. Absolutely agree with Neil on Ovie. Questions about Ovie’s toughness or needing someone to fight for him go out the window because it’s not like Ovie asked Brads to step in and fight for him. Ovie showed all that he needed to when he dropped the gloves to fight Downie straight up. Bradley also absolutely did the right thing. if you all remember earlier this year against Columbus, Ovie got into a scrum and was out with an injury for the next couple of games. Who’s to say that the same wouldn’t happen in a fight? Isn’t that what happened to Brassard last year? CBJ lost him for the rest of the season because he got injured in a fight.

]]> By: Firestorm http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3571 Firestorm Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:58:57 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3571 @Char: I'll show my age by referring you to the Broad Street Bullies in the 1970s. Bobby Clarke could was nasty and could look after himself just fine (especially with his stick), but that didn't mean the Flyers wanted him fighting. If somebody came near Clarke, there was hell to pay. Similar with Bobby Orr, who would get in an occasional fight, but the rest of the Bruins usually made sure he didn't have to. It became a character trait on those teams: if you mess with the superstar, you were in for a long, ugly night. I figure Ovi would win more fights than he'd lose, but the rest of the Caps know their season rises/falls with him being healthy. Good on him for dropping the mitts; better on Bradley to protect him for the team. As JB pointed out, nothing good happens to you in a fight. @Char: I’ll show my age by referring you to the Broad Street Bullies in the 1970s. Bobby Clarke could was nasty and could look after himself just fine (especially with his stick), but that didn’t mean the Flyers wanted him fighting. If somebody came near Clarke, there was hell to pay.

Similar with Bobby Orr, who would get in an occasional fight, but the rest of the Bruins usually made sure he didn’t have to.

It became a character trait on those teams: if you mess with the superstar, you were in for a long, ugly night.

I figure Ovi would win more fights than he’d lose, but the rest of the Caps know their season rises/falls with him being healthy. Good on him for dropping the mitts; better on Bradley to protect him for the team. As JB pointed out, nothing good happens to you in a fight.

]]> By: Char http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3570 Char Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:29:14 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3570 As I said, I don't think it's cut-and-dried on Ovie. Is he a Marty St. Louis, or a Cam Neely? I thought someone as big and strong as Ovie was supposed to be tough as well. The "code" always seemed to me to be about protecting a teammate who's been cheap-shotted, not stepping in and fighting his battles for him. Guess I thought wrong? As I said, I don’t think it’s cut-and-dried on Ovie. Is he a Marty St. Louis, or a Cam Neely? I thought someone as big and strong as Ovie was supposed to be tough as well. The “code” always seemed to me to be about protecting a teammate who’s been cheap-shotted, not stepping in and fighting his battles for him. Guess I thought wrong?

]]> By: Neil http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3569 Neil Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:16:58 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3569 Nice post, completely agree with you on Conan, Burrows, and Bradley running in on the OV fight might be the coolest thing I've seen in the NHL this year, holy shit that got my heart racing. It's not about whether or not OV can fight his own battles, it's about whether or not you want to be anybody remotely tough on that team during the "Why did we let OV fight Steve Downie?" conversation after the game, broken hand/jaw/orbital bone or not. Bradley is a champ for doing that, as is OV for dropping the gloves against a shithead like Steve Downie, who should have a permanent target on his back for laughing on his way off the ice after trying to murder a classy NHL vet in a preseason game. Sidenote: guess who drafted him? The people railing against Burrows definitely seem to be regularly confusing the two points of 1) Getting tighter reffing on players/teams that refs don't like, and 2) Making phantom calls at a pre-meditated moment on a guy you feel deserves your personal vengeance. Apples and oranges, I agree Bourne, one is natural and the other should get you fired in any self-respecting professional sports league. Leno is making a real name for himself. Not funny, sideswiped Letterman, and now Conan. Let the legacy continue! I can't stand Milbury on CBC, the guy blabs about this and that like he's all over it, but could you think of a guy who is less qualified to give people advice on how to run their teams? Oh really Mike, that's what YOU'D do if you were the GM in the Kovalchuk situation? One sec, we're gonna cut to Jessica Simpson for some advanced chess techniques. MOOOMMM, BART'S SMOKING!!! too funny, nice post! Nice post, completely agree with you on Conan, Burrows, and Bradley running in on the OV fight might be the coolest thing I’ve seen in the NHL this year, holy shit that got my heart racing. It’s not about whether or not OV can fight his own battles, it’s about whether or not you want to be anybody remotely tough on that team during the “Why did we let OV fight Steve Downie?” conversation after the game, broken hand/jaw/orbital bone or not. Bradley is a champ for doing that, as is OV for dropping the gloves against a shithead like Steve Downie, who should have a permanent target on his back for laughing on his way off the ice after trying to murder a classy NHL vet in a preseason game. Sidenote: guess who drafted him?
The people railing against Burrows definitely seem to be regularly confusing the two points of 1) Getting tighter reffing on players/teams that refs don’t like, and 2) Making phantom calls at a pre-meditated moment on a guy you feel deserves your personal vengeance. Apples and oranges, I agree Bourne, one is natural and the other should get you fired in any self-respecting professional sports league.
Leno is making a real name for himself. Not funny, sideswiped Letterman, and now Conan. Let the legacy continue!
I can’t stand Milbury on CBC, the guy blabs about this and that like he’s all over it, but could you think of a guy who is less qualified to give people advice on how to run their teams? Oh really Mike, that’s what YOU’D do if you were the GM in the Kovalchuk situation? One sec, we’re gonna cut to Jessica Simpson for some advanced chess techniques.

MOOOMMM, BART’S SMOKING!!! too funny, nice post!

]]> By: Pete http://www.jtbourne.com/burrowsauger-ovydowniebradley-conan/comment-page-1/#comment-3568 Pete Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:45:42 +0000 http://www.jtbourne.com/?p=5465#comment-3568 that LT video is hot. red. hot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eF6DVI0tk&feature=fvw that LT video is hot. red. hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eF6DVI0tk&feature=fvw

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